Seow Italy 43-44 2nda versione

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8 Anni 2 Settimane fa #10792 da SUP_Pernix
Ciao Bigans.complimenti per la precisione,
ma anche le bombe FFF sul nostro CANT furono una ottima pensata..certo con stile tutto Italiano,naturalmente non chirurgiche, ma alla ..ndò coìo-coìo... :laugh: :laugh:

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8 Anni 2 Settimane fa #10793 da SUP_Bigans
I cant, ahimè, sono rimasti a sud della Gustav e quindi ora in mano agli Alleati...La motobomba FFF (siluro a corsa circolare) non era da scartare, soprattutto nei porti e a prua delle formazioni navali. Ma io non l'ho mai provata. Mi sembra scendesse con un paracadute per non danneggiarsi nell'urto con l'acqua, il che la renderebbe anche vulnerabile al tiro contraereo.
Con la Fritz il problema è capire a che quota è la bomba rispetto al bersaglio, nel senso che riesci ad inquadrare la nave e dirigerla, ma negli ultimi metri non capisci se sei prossimo a quota 0 o hai più margine per richiamarla in cabrata. Su 10 sganci fatti neanche un centro, il più vicino a pochi metri bagnando la nave con lo spruzzo d'acqua...

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8 Anni 2 Settimane fa #10794 da SUP_Astore

Pernix ha scritto: Ciao Bigans.complimenti per la precisione,
ma anche le bombe FFF sul nostro CANT furono una ottima pensata..certo con stile tutto Italiano,naturalmente non chirurgiche, ma alla ..ndò coìo-coìo... :laugh: :laugh:


Tieni presente comunque che il maggior numero di FFF è stato utilizzato proprio dalla Luftwaffe che le ha tenute in considerazione maggiormente rispetto alla Regia per la quale erano state ideate.

Mai lasciar morire il fanciullo che è in noi
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8 Anni 1 Settimana fa #10795 da SUP_Bigans
Questa sera ho chiesto di attaccare con le Fritz, riusciremo a coprire 4 Do217?

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8 Anni 1 Settimana fa #10798 da SUP_Mannaia
Bigans, Gross mi ha chiesto di avvertitri che Thor ha aumentato la di sponibilità di do 17 e ju 88 per noi... 10 e 10.
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8 Anni 1 Settimana fa - 7 Anni 11 Mesi fa #10802 da SUP_Bigans
>>>>Techcuron:
Training for a Do 217 is harder than a SM.79, a bomb sight is involved and bomb guidance. But of course you just drop bombs when flying very low passes in the SM.79, an easy and simple method. As for lack of resources, a SM.79 costs less to produce than a Do 217. For what the plane is worth compared to its target, your bomber pilots have been more of a burden than a benefit. I can see in the MissionPlanner and in the statistics that the most of the Italian pilots have negative gross scores because of their lack of kills and continuous deaths. From the many attempts you have had in destroying ships, still none have been sunk successfully.

Probably you’re not practice in bombing, only these explain your unsense words. Flying a Do217 is better and simplier than a S.79; about Fritz and He293 is more simple that you could think, to hit target.
Engaging from very low with S.79 was the only chance we have, ‘cause it was almost impossible to see them from 5.000 meters. They we’re not on the road and they probably an appropriate camoufflage skin. We were also chased by enemies and fired by FLAK from ships, never see a so high rate of shot…
Yes, I know all our attempts, our failed take off (due by technical troubles and sometime human error) and for these I apologise. But I also know, how many right attempts we made and we we’re downed by flak or fighters. This means that we’re able to reach the target and trying to do our best. I think that nobody can judge with a cool statistic.
My guys referred me that they destroyed to ships, but no evidence in the stats. I believe in them. Why? Remember when I destroyed the factory in Foggia? You have not protested against Thor even if I show you pictures that give me reason. Probably also the plate was destroyed and you do not ask the victory points. So my ask is the following “Are you sure that you’re making the best you can?”. I don’t want to bore no one, remembering our results in SEOW Med 1 and 2, or in Kursk, but I’m sure that who read your words “your bomber pilots have been more of a burden than a benefit”, will consider these ones like bullshits.
Nice to know you died by flak, many people die by flak each mission, it would be really nice if your plane crashed into the flak afterwards.
As the same “…it would be really nice if your plane crashed into the flak afterwards”, because this is forbidden by the rules, that I think you don’t have understand.



JG77, 109, and 22GCT all specialise in dog fighting leaving JG51 with having to provide some effort at ground attack. ITA and SUP supposedly specialise in bombing (ships and buildings). It is nice to know we have good fighter pilots, but all these ground attack planes Axis has are useless without effective pilots.

And it does not help that Axis are outnumbered 2:5. You have great determination in trying to bomb ships and factories, but you would be more effective in that if you were on Allied side instead.

BINGO!!! Yes, when we flew with other planner (like Thor for example) in other campaigns we reached best results: this is why I know that we’re good enough bombers, more than you as planner!


In the progress made so far by trying to bomb their ships and factories, it has not proven to be a advantageous investment. If something continues to fail, why should it be continued when the next result is guaranteed to fail anyway. In the prior mission (13), you had been assigned SM.79 loaded with torpedoes to target ships. Instead you chose to fly the Do 217 that were AI meant to re-base after attempting to find a target. One of you stalled the plane on take-off and then in the end one plane returned.

Yes, we drove Do217 ‘cause we trained with these and Fritz. I ask you Do217 the 1st of Febraury check
2ndvarp.net/showthread.php?4368-2-0-DEBRIEF-Mission-XII
you said ok “If someone wants to fly themselves then go ahead, it is not easy to control the guided bombs.”. So you placed your 13 briefing and give us S.79, while we were trained with Do217 and Fritz…no words anymore about this!
We lost one during take off, one while climbing (I knew one pilot were not well trained with Do217 with 2 FRITZ)…one (the AI) by FLAK of ships at 5.000 meters. Not “…in the end one plane returned”, I drove the only Do217K2 to land safe with only one engine working in L’Aquila.
check
2ndvarp.net/showthread.php?4376-2-0-DEBRIEF-Mission-XIII



I had in mind that maybe you would have better luck flying a plane that you would not crash on take-off with. A nice, slow, and durable wooden SM.79. I also hoped also that maybe you would get something destroyed or bring back the planes in one piece at the very least.

Good idea! So you preferred to leave in Pomezia AF _4*do217k1, 4*do217k2 and a Ju88A4 check
2ndvarp.net/showthread.php?4380-2-0-Miss...XIV-Dust-in-the-wind


Targets of opportunity were the ones moving from the beach landing to Roma and Frosinone, if the risks were high and you knew you would die then why did you proceed in attacking, you probably should not have done the attack run there.

Very simple to talk after the mission…at least we try to make the possible with S.79 against little targets. While you leave all these bombers in Pomezia with a Red 20mm 1,5 km NW from the AF and a ? (probably a Red Howitzer) at 3km NW from the AF…I wrote move the bombers!!!
Another time Red could down our Bombers on the ground, like they have done in Frosinone in 14 mission and Thor fooled us with San Valentine post.


Each mission is a suicide mission for you, compared to DCS multiplayer, your pilots also show no value in their plane/life and go all out to kill.

We don’t like this kind of missions, but if we have a bad plan, this is the only result we can achieve. 2 times I died to trying to save bomber and landing in our AF, I’m not fun to die every time, but I can’t continue to fly in this way.
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